This Fire Cider Health Tonic and Homeopathic Remedy recipe stands as one of the most popular on my blog.
I would like to take this opportunity to remind people who take issue with my use of the word homeopathic that I’ve addressed it below and simply will not put up nastiness. People.
It’s not the end of things if we disagree on semantics, but I’m going to insist we be nice here on Foodie with Famiy.
To anyone visiting for the purpose of discussing my use or perceived misuse of the word “homeopathic”:
I am using a casual definition of the word supported by google, WebMD, and Merriam Webster: “That is, if a substance causes a symptom in a healthy person, giving the person a very small amount of the same substance may cure the illness.
In theory, a homeopathic dose enhances the body’s normal healing and self-regulatory processes.” I will not be discussing this issue any further. Any new comments seeking to chastise me for the use of the word will not be published.
Important Note: I am NOT under any circumstances claiming this will cure anything. I’m laying out a recipe that is both delicious and nutritious. I am also explaining some of the purported health benefits of the ingredients that go INTO the recipe.
This post is no substitute for professional medical advice, but is a classic folk tonic/remedy. I trust you all to use your own best judgment in the manner.
Wait! Don’t run away screaming! I know I’m in serious danger of sounding like an irredeemable hippie, but I have something really, really FUN for you today.
What is fire cider?
I have a savoury, spicy, infused vinegar. Yes.
Two infused vinegars in a row! This one is only slightly more complicated than the Coconut Infused White Balsamic Vinegar in has it has a few more ingredients and requires a bit more chopping and grating, but beyond that, it’s every bit as easy, it just requires more patience.
Before I get to why, I want to get to the reason YOU SHOULD MAKE THIS! For starters, it tastes awesome.
I mean AWESOME. Oh, and did I mention it’s a health tonic?
I have a little true story to explain to you how a girl who makes Crispy Cheesy Barbecue Chicken and Bacon Egg Rolls also makes Fire Cider Health Tonic and Homeopathic Remedy.
It all began with me hopping in my car and driving eight and a half hours to Maine to spend four days with my friends.
We spent our days wandering Portland, Maine eating donuts, duck fat french fries, ice cream, bubble tea, cookies, more duck fat fries, fried cheese curds, fried chicken skin banh mi, bacon dusted french fries, and washing it down with beer. Have you noticed the theme? Rich food on rich food on richer food.
It was great stuff, but oy. We were overstuffed.
We wandered into the Cabot Cheese Shop where the clerk enthusiastically offered a sample of something called Fire Cider to us. Given that I have been known to drink pickle juice and/or a shot of raw apple cider vinegar each morning (more on the health benefits of that in a moment), it didn’t take much to convince me to try it.
It was a SHAZAAM moment. It was a savoury liquid infusion with an amazing balance of tangy raw apple cider vinegar, horseradish, garlic, onion, ginger, and citrus with just a hint of honey.
It was exactly what we all needed to de-sluggify all of us after our rich food benders. Brandy, Carrie, and Gina grabbed a bottle. I grabbed two.
When I got home, my husband looked at me sideways when I told him what it was, but he drank the sip I gave him and his eyes grew huge as he declared, “THIS IS GREAT! We’re going to need to keep this around!”
Fire Cider Controversy
I went online to order a larger quantity and discovered that the manufacturer had a bit of fire cider controversy surrounding them because fire cider was an old folk remedy and health tonic made by many herbalists and the company had trademarked the name. Okay, well, knowing me, you’ll probably have realized at this point that when I read I could make my own, that was a foregone conclusion.
Would I regularly buy a product from a company that had trademarked a word that was the herbal world’s equivalent of t-shirt and was enforcing that trademark or would I make my own? Well, um, duh?
UPDATE: The controversy has been settled and the courts have decided that the company can no longer own the trademark for Fire Cider!
Fire Cider Recipe
I wanted to make one as close in flavour to the one I had purchased, so I used my only superpower (identifying flavours in a dish) to figure out what I wanted to put in my Fire Cider Health Tonic and Homeopathic Remedy.
I added fresh horseradish and ginger roots, onion, garlic, lemon, orange, habanero pepper, powdered turmeric, and raw apple cider vinegar to our fire cider. All of these ingredients have the dual benefits of being health promoting AND delicious.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I nailed it. And I had to wait 4 weeks to KNOW I nailed it because it takes that long for the flavours to infuse. Yeah. Um. Did I mention you need to be patient?
Fire Cider benefits
How is fire cider good for you? Let me count the ways:
-Fresh horseradish is known to be effective against the flu and common cold, tonsilitis, respiratory disorders, urinary tract infections, and pathenogenic fungus.
-Ginger is used to treat arthritis, muscle pain, upset stomach (motion and morning sickness and general nausea), gas, upper respiratory tract infections, and cough.
-Onions are used to boost cardiovascular health, bone and connective tissue benefits, and as an anti-inflammatory agent.
-Garlic is used to treat high blood pressure, high cholesterol, coronary heart disease, heart attack, atherosclerosis, asthma, building the immune system, help level blood sugar, and is used topically to treat fungal infections.
–Habanero peppers boost your metabolism, and offer headache, sinus, and arthritis relief as well as releasing endorphins.
-Oranges are great for heart health, as part of a best-case-scenario-anti-cancer-diet, fighting cholesterol, to help in weight loss, and to break up or prevent kidney stones.
–Lemons are known to aid in digestion, alleviate Meniere’s Disease, kidney stones, and ringing of the ears, cure scurvy (chronic lack of Vitamin C), treat colds and flu, improve the function of blood vessels, and reduce inflammation and retention of water.
–Turmeric is pretty much the be-all and end-all of health foods. It’s known to delay liver damage, reduce carcinogenic compounds in other foods, make cancer cells more vulnerable to chemo and radiation, inhibit the growth of malignant melanoma and breast cancer, alleviate arthritis symptoms and skin conditions.
Heck, maybe I should let the experts describe what the main compound in turmeric -cucurmin- does. Advanced Experimental Medical Biology in 2007 states:
“Curcumin has been shown to exhibit antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, antiviral, antibacterial, antifungal, and anticancer activities and thus has a potential against various malignant diseases, diabetes, allergies, arthritis, Alzheimer’s disease and other chronic illnesses.”
–Raw apple cider vinegar (not plain old cider vinegar!) is known to be a good source of acetic and ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), mineral salts, amino acids, and other key components of good nutrition, but it is also a well-loved folk remedy thought to ease digestion, fight obesity and diabetes, wash toxins from the body, kill lice, and reverse aging.
Does it do all of that? I dunno. But it surely tastes good and it’s nutritional value is undisputed.
–Raw honey (locally produced) is a fantastic, all-natural fighter of seasonal allergies. Because bees collect pollen from flowers in your area and then convert it to honey to feed their hives, eating raw, local honey is like a tasty allergy shot.
It’s also full of vitamins and minerals, anti-fungal, anti-viral, and makes a great, non-narcotic cough suppressant and throat soother.
How much Fire Cider should I drink?
The beauty of this, beyond its all-star cast of healthy ingredients, is that it just plain tastes wonderful. We drink a tablespoon (or more!) every morning to maintain health. Well, okay, we MAINLY drink it because we like it, but the health benefits are nice.
When you feel ill, take a slightly larger dose of Fire Cider to help boost your immune system. Word has it on the street that it’s an extremely effective hangover cure. So, I want to know… are you curious enough to try it? What do you think?
Cook’s Notes
There’s not too much to this, just grate or chop everything up and put it in a jar. That’s where I’m going to caution you.
If you cannot or will not use a plastic lid, do lay a piece of parchment paper on the rim of the jar before fixing your lid in place. Raw apple cider vinegar is quite likely to motivate a canning jar lid to rust or discolour.
You’d hate to have all your waiting and work ruined by a rusted lid. Replace that parchment sheet every week or so.
I prefer to use Bragg’s Raw Apple Cider Vinegar for my Fire Cider. I always keep it on hand because I love the flavour and I also love the health benefits it offers.
Because it still has the ‘mother’ in it, it packs a higher nutritional punch. I understand that Trade Joe’s and Whole Foods also have in-house brand versions that are great.
I’d advise you to use organic produce if at all possible. This way you won’t be infusing your lovely health tonic with anything you wouldn’t want to have in it.
When you grate your horseradish, make sure you do it in a well-ventilated area or you will regret it. That stuff packs some serious oomph and will empty your sinuses in 30 seconds flat.
When it’s time to strain your Fire Cider Health Tonic & Homeopathic Remedy, line a colander with butter muslin, a muslin tea towel, or a double layer of super fine cheesecloth, and set it over a large, stable pot.
Pour the contents of your jar into the lined colander and let it drain for 30 minutes. After the 30 minutes, pull the corners of the cloth together and twist to squeeze the contents until you cannot squeeze any more liquid from it.
You may reserve the solids for tossing in stir-fries or discard them. Either is fine!
You’ll notice there is not an actual quantity of honey listed in the recipe. You should add this to taste.
We tend to like ours less sweet, you may prefer yours more so. Start with 1/4 cup and whisk it well, then add 1 tablespoon at a time, whisking after each addition, until you reach your desired sweetness.
It’s best to choose raw, locally produced honey for the benefits listed above. The second choice is raw honey. The third choice would be pasteurized commercial honey.
Store your finished Fire Cider Health Tonic & Homeopathic Remedy in a sterilized wine bottle or canning jar. Store in a cool, dark cabinet for up to a year.
Oh! I’d be remiss if I didn’t tell you that the finished Fire Cider is fabulous as a dressing for cooked greens or in salad dressings. Boost your health while enjoying your dinner!
Guys. Gals. Friends, Romans, Countrymen… I HAVE PUT Fire Cider Health Tonic and Homeopathic Remedy IN A COCKTAIL. It was magical. Please experiment and report back.
How to make Fire Cider:
- A Food Processor with a Grating Disc is not strictly necessary but will make the process so much easier and keep your hands from smelling like horseradish!
- Easy Cap (reusable bottles) for storing your fire cider.
- a Funnel to help fill your bottles with fire cider
- a whisk to whisk in the honey
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Fire Cider
Scroll down for the complete printable recipe.
Grate the horseradish and ginger roots. Roughly chop the peeled onions and garlic, whole oranges, lemons, and habaneros.
Do not peel the oranges and lemons first! Sprinkle the turmeric in on top.
Pour the raw apple cider vinegar allowing it to settle in through the crevices and adding more so the contents are fully submerged. Lay a piece of parchment paper over the rim of the jar, then screw the lid tightly in place.
Let the mixture sit in a dark, cool place, allowing it to infuse, for 4 weeks, shaking once daily when you remember it.
After 4 weeks, pour the contents into a muslin or cheesecloth lined colander over a stable pot. Let it drain for 30 minutes, then gather the corners and twist to wring out as much goodness as possible.
Add raw honey to the liquid to taste and pour into a sterilized wine bottle or canning jar. Store in a cool, dark place for up to a year, shaking well before using.
Fire Cider: Health Tonic and Homeopathic Remedy
Rate RecipeIngredients
- 1 large horseradish root scrubbed very well, about 7 inches long
- 1 large ginger root about 7 inches long
- 1 large onion root and stem end removed and peeled
- 1 large orange do NOT peel. Use the whole fruit.
- 1 lemon do NOT peel. Use the whole fruit.
- 16 cloves of garlic peeled
- 2-4 habanero peppers stems removed
- 1 tablespoon ground turmeric
- raw apple cider vinegar
- raw honey
Instructions
- Grate the horseradish and ginger roots. Roughly chop the onions, orange, lemon, garlic, and habanero peppers. Stuff them into a half-gallon glass jar with a tight fitting lid or divide evenly between two quart sized canning jars. Sprinkle the turmeric in on top (dividing evenly between the two jars if using quart jars). Pour the raw apple cider vinegar in over the contents, allowing it to settle in through the crevices and adding more so that the contents are submerged. Lay a piece of parchment paper over the rim of the jar, then screw the lid tightly in place. Let the mixture sit in a dark, cool place, allowing it to marry and infuse for 4 weeks, shaking once daily.
- After 4 weeks, pour the contents into a muslin or cheesecloth lined colander positioned over a stable pot. Let it drain for 30 minutes, then gather the corners of the cloth, twisting and squeezing until you cannot release any more liquid. When it’s fully strained, add honey to the liquid to taste and pour into a sterilized wine bottle or canning jar. Store in a cool, dark place for up to a year, shaking well before using.
Nutritional information is an estimate and provided to you as a courtesy. You should calculate the nutritional information with the actual ingredients used in your recipe using your preferred nutrition calculator.
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Originally published August 8, 2014. Updated August 2016 and January 2019.
Reader's Thoughts...
L Hollingsworth says
How much does this make after it’s been strained? Also, can you estimate how much it costs you to make it & how quickly you go through it? I’ve got a friend who has made some to sell, but I thought it might be less expensive if I made it. (We’re on a very tight budget.)
Rebecca says
Hi there! It really depends on how tightly packed you have the jars. I honestly have a different yield every time. And the speed with which we go through it depends on the time of year (we drink a lot more during cold/flu season). I’m sorry to give you a non-answer, but I’m built for honesty. 😀 The truth is that it is not expensive to make if you source things creatively (bartering fresh horseradish with a friend who grows it in exchange for something you can provide, etc…) The priciest part of the bargain will likely be the raw apple cider vinegar.
Kristen says
Hi! I’m excited to have a batch of this brewing right now! I’m wondering if I should dilute it before drinking? I’ve recently read that ACV should be diluted when taking for health benefits. Thank you!
Rebecca says
I do not dilute it before drinking. Because it’s mixed with the honey, I don’t bother!
Tracey says
Hi. I made the cider and one of my quart jars has a ring of the mix underenath it when i go to shake it up-the seal appears to be in tact. although both times I rinsed and wiped the bottle .. is this jar going to be ok?
Sherry says
I have a question about the turmeric. Can I use fresh turmeric instead of powder and if so, how much would I use for this recipe. Or is there a particular reason to use the ground spice rather than the fresh. Thank you.
Rebecca says
You can ABSOLUTELY sub in fresh turmeric! I’d do one or two knuckles of fresh turmeric.
Janine K Rands says
I am so excited to find your website and read thru your blog!
I’ve been using Cider vinegar and lemon drink for about two years, but kinda bored with it, so at our local health food co-op, bought a very expensive 8 oz jar of Fire Cider. Well, expensive to me, as I like to make my own, and I’d like a gallon of this stuff – which would cost close to $100. So, after googling Vinegar tonic recipes, found you.
Thank you SO much for the recipe! I’m headed to the store for ingredients. and yes, I plan to use my food processor!
Katie says
I’ve made this for the last 3 months (so, 3 times). Can I tell you how amazing this is?! It works like a dream! A little background: I have 4 littles (5, 4, 2, 7 months). We’re originally from TX but moved to Australia 1.5 years ago. In the last 9 months, we have gotten sick EVERY. SINGLE. WEEK. Even the baby started getting sick from 1 month on. It was a miserable year. All these new Australian germs–I knew we would all get sick being here as our bodies adjusted, but having littles getting sick all the time (my 5 year old was also in preschool, so she was exposed to all those germs as well) was emotionally, physically, and mentally exhausting. Enter this recipe. I was done with getting sick. I needed to boost our immune systems. I started fermenting (but that hurt my baby through my milk, so I had to stop), started making kombucha, and began making fire cider. We haven’t gotten sick for the last couple months, and we’ve had a BRUTAL flu season here in Australia (this winter (May-Sept) has been the worst flu season in awhile, and it’s coming to the States). We didn’t get the flu in the last 3 months. I LOVE this cider. After we ran out the first month, I learned that, as soon as I strain the tonic, I need to make another batch right away. And we STILL run out! I got a cold last month, started taking fire cider with every meal, and my cold not only lasted one week (a record short time!) but wasn’t as brutal as normal. So, this long post is just to thank you, THANK YOU SO MUCH for saving the health of our family. I’ve been singing this recipe’s praises and our whole family has been blessed by this cider. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Katie says
I’ll also add that it’s pretty impossible to find horseradish here, so I can’t add that to my fire cider (sadly! I would love to add it for the health benefits!) and habanero peppers also aren’t common, so I sub out other peppers. Even with those differences, it STILL works!
EileenT says
Hi, I am in Australia too, and currently making my third batch of fire cider, and I have been unable to find horseradish fresh or organic, so I have bought some root cuttings to grow my own. In the meantime I have found Baska Jon horseradish in 200gram jars for about $2.50 at Harris Farms. It is grated, and has no preservatives, flavours or colours, so it might work for you until you can find some fresh.
Good Luck
Eileen
JoAnn M Lakes says
You can also find dried horseradish online. Believe me, it’s potent stuff!
Tammy says
I make this and when it’s well drained I take theveggies and spread out on cookie sheet and bake at 200• all day until dry the run thru my vitamix. Makes a great salt free seasoning
Deborah Bergen says
That’s awesome!
Sydney says
How much apple cider vinegar are you supposed to use? The recipe does not say!! I can’t wait to make this!!
Rebecca says
Hi Sydney- The reason a quantity isn’t given is because it can vary depending on how large your jar is and how much of the various vegetables, herbs, fruits, and aromatics you’ve managed to stuff in there! I hope you like it as much as we do!
Sydney says
Oh yes that does make sense! I am making this weekend… I can’t wait!!! Thanks so much!!
Jamie Corbin says
Do you leave the rind on the citrus?
Rebecca says
Yes we do. I like the added essential oils from the citrus rinds.
Tommy says
I have been trying to make this for close to 2 years now but can’t seem to work it out. At first my issue was because I refuse to make this without organic ingredients. I won’t let this mixture sit for weeks and “infuse” with the vinegar along with pesticides and who knows what else. But where I live in Pa my searches for organic ingredients was in vein. No organic horseradish or Turmeric or ginger anywhere. Farmers markets, health foods…nothing. So I purchased my Fire Cider locally as there was one health food shop that carried it. Recently they opened a Whole Foods 30 minutes away…great! So I went there to look around. Organics…yes! But no organic turmeric (and I want turmeric in my mix). And the oranges and lemons are only sold in bags not single fruits which is way too much fruit and the cost is way high. So here is the thing and something I’ve tried adding up since I first found out about Fire Cider. Cost.
A quart of ACV is $6.50 and a small jar of honey is $6 or $7. Horseradish somewhere around $5, if I could get the Turmeric another $4 or more. That’s close to $25 so far! The oranges and or lemons? A bag is very expensive and I don’t need 10 oranges or lemons. The only store to buy singles is 30 minutes in the opposite direction Where they sell the Fire Cider) so that’s an hour total driving. And there’s still the other ingredients to purchase. So between the cost of the ingredients listed thus far it is already more costly than the pre made stuff. Add in the gas for an hour of driving and I just can’t justify it. But seriously, I have been trying. Is everyone finding these items so easily and cheap? Or are many making this with non organics? I wouldn’t. The numbers aren’t adding up here for me. For the amount made by spending $25 – $30 or more on ingredients I can just buy a bottle premade. I’ve been trying but can’t find a way to get the ingredients cheaper.
Thanks
Tommy
Rebecca says
You need to make friends with local gardeners, bee keepers, and farmers, Tommy! Many of them will happy swap free or low cost organic produce in exchange for a bottle or two of fire cider when you’re done. The only things I need to source are fresh ginger, ACV (Amazon has the best prices, but Mountain Rose Herbs and Thrive Market also have excellent prices) turmeric root (which I use fresh when I can find it or in dried chunks when I can’t. Both versions are available for mail order either through Amazon, Mountain Rose Herbs, or similar places. There is currently fresh, organic turmeric root at $8.50/8oz on Amazon. You can dehydrate and save whatever you do not use immediately for future batches or uses. Shoot, I’ve even used organic dried ground turmeric to good effect. The same applies to the ginger), organic lemons and oranges which I can purchase singly or in bags. I buy the bags because while I can’t use them all at once, I can certainly eat 7 or 8 oranges before they go bad, and I simply plan another use for the lemons before they go bad. For instance, I make Preserved Lemons/Lemons in salt I get the honey, horseradish, onions, habaneros, and garlic from local gardener/farmer friends who either sell it to me tremendously inexpensively or give it to me free in exchange for a bottle of Fire Cider. My work, their produce, we all benefit.
Tommy says
Thank you for the response. 🙂
Larry says
And here is the kicker, you have no idea what they used to make that store bought stuff. So if you source all the ingredients yourself and make it, you know exactly what’s in it and can adjust the recipe to suit your needs. Braggs ACV is overhyped, it’s really no different from any other brand that sells ACV with the mother. I make my own, it’s not difficult and use it in all my recipes that require it. As for the turmeric, ginger, and horseradish roots, either use powdered or buy some roots, organic or not, stick them in a few pots of soil and grow your own. Then you will have a constant supply of fresh roots.
So I guess what I’m saying is, don’t put a price tag on your health.
JoAnn M Lakes says
I also can use some kombucha/jun vinegar. It turns an oops into a great save. 😉
Kelly Craig says
When I strain something like this, I do it the easy way – I use a centrifugal juicer with a filter in place. It’s quick and effective.
Larry says
Great idea, i make mine in the Vitamix all blended together. Then after infusing for a couple months I pour it all thru my masticating juicer and like magic it’s a beautiful elixir when finished.
Connie says
Awesome! Thank you.
Janet C. says
All lint picking aside ….GEEEEZE people…Did ANYONE actually make this and try it or are we all too hell bent on words and miss the recipe all together??? I for one have gone the 55 miles away (I’m in the forest) to buy all the ingredients…and I am going to make it…So Thank you
Rebecca says
HA! Thanks, Janet! You might need to comb through the cranky comments a little, but there are quite a few folks who have tried it and loved it. 😀 Happy ‘brewing’!
Kim Quinn says
Yeeesss!!
I have made it 2x, 2-1 qt mason jars each. It is wonderful and I did as suggested and upon draining for 30 min and squeezing the pulp, I ran it through my food processor and filled 4 ice cube trays with the ground pulp.
Yesterday I made a spinich, asparagus, mushroom, and broccoli and cauliflower risotto.
2c. Arbor rice.
8 cups water.
1/2 stick butter
2 tbs. Olive oil.
2 med- broccoli florettes
1 med. Cauliflower “”
1/2lb. Asparagus, cut diagonal
8oz fresh mushrooms, sliced
1 good handful baby spinich chopped.
4 garlic cloves minced.
3 FC puree cube’s
1/2 cup parmigiano
Salt and pepper to taste.
Bring water to simmer in saucepan with fire cider cubes.
In 6qt kettle add butter and oil. Bring brocc, cauliflower, garlic, mushrooms and asparagus to aldente. Push to side of pan and add rice and stir letting rice absorb oil and butter. Begin adding water and pulp to pan and cook over medium. Build the creaminess adding liquid a bit at a time. Near last addition add baby spinich as it wilts fast. Add cheese. Taste for salt and pepper..
??Enjoy!
2 new qts biding time in my closet even now!
Angi Rizzo says
I know this is an old post, but I’m so excited to see your recipe! Thank you for sharing!!
Rebecca says
I’m so glad you found me!
Lynn says
Great review. I’ve bought the product and love it. I’m a bit lazy to make my own and too impatient to wait a month. Your simple instructions have inspired me to JUST DO IT!
Thank you
Rebecca says
HAHA! That’s wonderful, Lynn.
serdlc64 says
Can I drink this every day of the year?? I love it. And how much?
Rebecca says
I drink it almost every day. I usually cap myself at about 2 tablespoons.
Lisa says
Good morning! Your recipe sounds wonderful and I can’t wait to make it. One question…do I peel the orange and lemon?
Rebecca says
Hi Lisa- Thank you so much! You do not need to peel the lemon and orange. You want to take advantage of those wonderful oils and flavour compounds in the orange and lemon peels!
Sue Springsteen says
While “steeping ” the fire tonic can it be put in refrigerator, I don’t really have a cool dark space.
Rebecca says
That’ll work, Sue! It may take a little longer to steep to desired strength, though. 😀
anna b says
i use my potato ricer to extract as much liquid as possible. it works really good.
Rebecca says
Great idea!!
Debbie Harrison says
Can I put the Fire Cider In the fridge during the four weeks it is mixing? I store my Apple Cider in the fridge when not In use.
Rebecca says
I don’t see any reason that would do harm to it. It may infuse a little more slowly in the refrigerator, though. And I just want to confirm you are using apple cider vinegar and not just apple cider, correct?
Tammy Waxler says
Thanks for this recipe! Mine will be ready at Easter. Can’t wait to try it. ♡
Dewey Payton says
Can you send me the recipe?
Rebecca says
Hi Dewey- If you scroll up, the recipe is in the post.